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CRUSHED!!!

Postby thejuice » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:20 pm

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SS says it all. Wiped only once, this attempt. I am well over uncrushable. My only speculations are that latency caused me to pop my Holy Shield a bit late...or I understand that there is always a minute chance to be crushed, and maybe Prince got lucky.

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Any input would be appreciated.
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Postby Invisusira » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:24 pm

HUGE AVATAR IS HUGE

Yes, due to client/server lag, there is always a chance that a crush will slip through. Happens to all of us.
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Postby Rokh » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:46 am

Off topic, but I hope you just have the sun eater equiped cause you just killed prince and had it on as a 'phase 2' weapon.....

Dont know if your dps is in blues or what, but my normal set up has me in about 350 spelldmg with wiz oil and I have a very hard time keeping threat over my T5 rogue friends
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Postby thejuice » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:26 pm

yeah sun eater is my showoff weap for when im in cities. i dont tank with it.
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Postby luminum » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:00 am

must have slipped through :(

i remember tanking attumen when i was 2% or so away from uncrushable... man that 2% seemed to be a lot of crushes!
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Postby Tyaera » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:02 pm

There is a small window between where holy shield goes down and is reactivated where you can be crushed.

the lower your latency, the smaller the window. spamming Holy Shield during the last 2 secs of the cooldown will also minimise it.
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Postby Epico » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:41 am

Havent thought of it but doesnt Prince in phase 2 hit fast enough to eat up the 8 charges of HS? I got crushed a few times even though I had HS up full time.
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Postby Refute » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:33 am

One downside of a 10 sec cooldown, with a 10 second duration... with the 1 second GD, fast attacking mobs like Prince can certainly get a crush off if you're unlucky.
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Postby Steg » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:38 am

Epico wrote:Havent thought of it but doesnt Prince in phase 2 hit fast enough to eat up the 8 charges of HS? I got crushed a few times even though I had HS up full time.


in fase 2 he has 2 weapons equipped (the 2 axes flying around in fase 3) and he does hit due to that alot faster and will eat up your HS charges faster, so it could already be down before you can apply a new one.
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Postby Snake-Aes » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:55 am

Expect it to drop if he did a parrygib-thrash combo..usually he eats 6 charges of my shield, unlucky streaks of parrygib-thrash combos can very well lead to blocking 8 attacks in under 10 seconds =|
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Postby NarfJones » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:30 am

You would have to be hit 8 times in 10 seconds to use all of the charges on Holy Shield.

Assuming a 1.4 swing speed MH and a 1.2 OH with a 19% chance to miss: Also assuming a standard 18% dodge, 16% parry and 20% block at that level your attack table(with holy shield) will look like this. (This is barring the increased chance to be missed from defense since I lack the proper info to calculate it)

|---19%---|---18%---|---16%---|---29.4%---|
miss dodge parry block

This would mean that there is a 29.4% per hit chance to burn a holy shield charge while it is up.

10/1.4=7.1
10/1.2=8.3

15.4x.81=12.4

This means an average of 12.4 attacks per 10 seconds.

12.4x.294=3.6 average blocks per 10 seconds

So, the numbers tell us that if you block for the full percentage of the block rating that you will use, at most 4 charges of holy shield in the 10 seconds that it is up.
This is, of course, all subject to change as it's all chance and it's possible to block 100% of those 12.4 hits in ten seconds. This would, however, mean that you would not be able to dodge or parry any of them in that 10 second span of time.

Conclusion: It is possible to have all of your holy shield charges eaten up by Prince Melchazaar before the cooldown in ready. It is, however, extremely unlikely.

(Will fill in with thrash mechanics later.)
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Postby Jobah » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:57 pm

Theres no way your charges got eaten up, you got crushed in between refreshments of holy shield.

Unless... sometimes i do this by accident. I hover right around 102.4 in my main tank set, and for trash tanking i change librams and the libram is pretty important for me to get uncrushable. Maybe you do the same? and forgot to put your libram on that gives 6% block rating or w/e the number is from it?
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Postby gworroll » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:57 pm

Jobah wrote:Theres no way your charges got eaten up, you got crushed in between refreshments of holy shield.

Unless... sometimes i do this by accident. I hover right around 102.4 in my main tank set, and for trash tanking i change librams and the libram is pretty important for me to get uncrushable. Maybe you do the same? and forgot to put your libram on that gives 6% block rating or w/e the number is from it?


I made that mistake a couple times.

Macro:
/cast Holy Shield
/equip Libram of Repentance
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Re: CRUSHED!!!

Postby Everlight » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:35 pm

It is extremely common to cop crushes between refreshes of HS. Your minimal SS doesn't show any useful information I'm afraid - there's no info about when your HS expired or anything.

Regardless, I've had this happen a lot - I play with Australian latency.
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Postby Cosmoz » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:17 am

may be old news now...maybe you changed some equipment on your toon, but you aint uncrush... you only have like 100,2%
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