Threat? Reckoning or Imp Judgements?

[Barathorn]

Having read the excellant thread by Kalbear and not finding the information I was looking for, I could use some advice. I find myself in the position of being MT for a small guild, we are currently farming Karazhan and are just venturing into ZA. We have no plans to do any 25 man runs.

Farming Karazhan has led to most of the DPS having good badge gear, which obviously then puts a little strain on the tanks in terms of threat. What I need advice on is at this level of progression, is it worth me dropping Spell Warding and Imp Judgements for 4/5 Reckoning? I know Reckoning isn't a given and as such cannot be counted upon, but is the above likely, 'on average' to give me more threat?

I just wondered if anyone had any views or experiance with this, I am currently 49/12 with 0 reckoning and 2/2 spell warding and imp judgement. Would 2/5 reckoning also be an option by dropping spell warding?

Any advice is welcome.

Barathorn.

[Snake-Aes]

Check the reckoning uptime graph based on number of hits per second you take. For me, 3/5 is pretty much everything that I need. The big bonus of 1/2 and 2/2 judgments is more to make a smoother threat cycle CD overlapping once you get used to it. For me 1/2 was more than enough.

It takes a lot of taste on that :/ sorry for not being of greater help. My current spec dropped shield spec for reckoning, no wasted points.

[Worldie]

Why only one when you can have BOTH.

[Barathorn]

Why only one when you can have BOTH.

This is why I am asking To me it seems sensible to drop 2/2 Spell Warding and 1/2 Imp Judgement as Snake did and take 3/5 reckoning.

I don't really want to drop anything else as I consider them 'core' abilities that I need.

Barathorn.

[Worldie]

It's safe thing to do. Probably the best you can do if you want more threat without giving up AD.

[Barathorn]

It's safe thing to do. Probably the best you can do if you want more threat without giving up AD.

Yeah I figure ZA at my gear level 'might' be scary without AD

Thanks Snake and Worldie!

Barathorn.

[Pizzon]

To be honest about improved judgement, for tanking it isn't really that great of an improvement.. With the timeing of concencrate, holy shield, seal and judge global CDs, having that extra 2 second on the judgement really is better spent somewhere else for tankadins..

Im trying ot find the info about it but lost it somehow.. ill post it later if I can.

Barathorn, spell warding knocks off 200 damage per every 1000.. I actually dropped that for ex extra reckoning and to put 2 in stoicism (stun resist for hyjal)


I forgot to respec to put it back for spell warding and I haven't noticed the differnce yet.

[Levantine]

To be honest about improved judgement, for tanking it isn't really that great of an improvement.. With the timeing of concencrate, holy shield, seal and judge global CDs, having that extra 2 second on the judgement really is better spent somewhere else for tankadins..

Im trying ot find the info about it but lost it somehow.. ill post it later if I can.

Barathorn, spell warding knocks off 200 damage per every 1000.. I actually dropped that for ex extra reckoning and to put 2 in stoicism (stun resist for hyjal)


I forgot to respec to put it back for spell warding and I haven't noticed the differnce yet.

Wrong. Spell warding is 2% per point. 2% of 1000 is 20, not 200.

[moduspwnens]

Don't drop both of your points in Imp Judgement, though. I run it 1/2 and only barely get three judgements in each Avenging Wrath cycle. I also run 4/5 Reckoning. Feel free to check out my spec.

[jere]

One thing to keep on the back burner: If you are MT, you might have to remember to respec into Spell Warding when you get to Kael. Maybe some more experienced tankadins could comment on that. Otherwise, I too have been considering the dropping spell warding and 1/2 imp judgement for 3/5 reck. I think it is a solid choice...I just need to convince myself to do it too.

[moduspwnens]

One thing to keep on the back burner: If you are MT, you might have to remember to respec into Spell Warding when you get to Kael. Maybe some more experienced tankadins could comment on that. Otherwise, I too have been considering the dropping spell warding and 1/2 imp judgement for 3/5 reck. I think it is a solid choice...I just need to convince myself to do it too.

Eh, you can if you want to min/max it. Four percent isn't much.

[jere]

One thing to keep on the back burner: If you are MT, you might have to remember to respec into Spell Warding when you get to Kael. Maybe some more experienced tankadins could comment on that. Otherwise, I too have been considering the dropping spell warding and 1/2 imp judgement for 3/5 reck. I think it is a solid choice...I just need to convince myself to do it too.

Eh, you can if you want to min/max it. Four percent isn't much.

without spell warding:
55000*.5*.94 = 25850

with spell warding
55000*.5*.94*.96 = 24816

It's the difference in needing 24816 health and 25850 health

[moduspwnens]

without spell warding:
55000*.5*.94 = 25850

with spell warding
55000*.5*.94*.96 = 24816

It's the difference in needing 24816 health and 25850 health

Yeah, if you're tanking Kael and your DPS isn't good enough twice, because you will have bubbled through the first time they screwed up.

[jere]

Well, regardless of how you swing it, it happens. Whether you want to attribute it to dps sucking in general or whatever other reason, some attempts for some guilds go 3 rounds, and probably more so in progression kills than later on. That's why I said, keep it on the backburner as opposed to omg, you must spec it or else!

[Worldie]

without spell warding:
55000*.5*.94 = 25850

with spell warding
55000*.5*.94*.96 = 24816

It's the difference in needing 24816 health and 25850 health

Yeah, if you're tanking Kael and your DPS isn't good enough twice, because you will have bubbled through the first time they screwed up.

One of the possible tactics for Kael include completely ignoring the shield and eating 1 pyro for each time.