my 3.1 build

[masterpoobaa]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... rsion=9658

the wowhead talent spec at the moment is missing divinity.
With my spec above ive taken only enough points in divinity that i avoid other lacklustre talents to get to deep prot (reckoning).

I usually end up with 4 points left over. In this build i stuffed them into 2/2 improved BoMight for raid functionallity and 2/2 into persuit of justice cauz i like all the speed i can get.

[Dorvan]

2/5 Conviction + 3/3 Crusade is strictly better than SotP.

[Sempx]

I think it looks good. Almost an exact copy of the one i am going to use tbh

I am however going to put those 5 points from the holy three to conviction which gives me 5% more critchance. THis is how that would look like:
My 3.0.1 offtanking specandmy 3.0.1 maintanking spec

I think u will gain more treath by getting 5% more critt =)

[Gorlando]

I think it looks good. Almost an exact copy of the one i am going to use tbh

I am however going to put those 5 points from the holy three to conviction which gives me 5% more critchance. THis is how that would look like:
My 3.0.1 offtanking specandmy 3.0.1 maintanking spec

I think u will gain more treath by getting 5% more critt =)

I agree with going into the Ret tree for threat, but you are skipping 1 Handed Weapon Specialization, which is 10% more damage... all of it. I know it has been repeated and repeated before, but Reckoning isn't too strong any more. At all. Especially with that offtank spec, for a good portion of boss fights you will basically be another DPS on the boss. This means that Reckoning has an uptime of 0 under those circumstances.

These are just a few things that bug me about your spec, there are other things I could touch up on but those were the main ones.

[Tarwyn]

Descent build, this is what I'm going with
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... rsion=9658

[Nalyn]

2/5 Conviction + 3/3 Crusade is strictly better than SotP.

^^ This. Crusade beats SotP all by itself, even without factoring in you have to spend 2+ points in Conviction to reach it.

[Tarwyn]

Would you rather put 2 points in vindication or conviction?

[trellian]

vindication does not work in pve

[biggss]

would it not be better to spec something like this where i get imp devtion aura and not divinity so i can pick up threat talents down ret? seeing as ill be taking 9% more healing reguardless and have 8% more crit

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... rsion=9658

[Kynes]

would it not be better to spec something like this where i get imp devtion aura and not divinity so i can pick up threat talents down ret? seeing as ill be taking 9% more healing reguardless and have 8% more crit

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... rsion=9658

3% flat damage is better than 3% crit. Crusade > Sanctified Seals imo.

[Grothnir]

3% flat damage is better than 3% crit. Crusade > Sanctified Seals imo.

There's no IMO about it. The math is pretty conclusive. We don't even have proc on crit effects in Prot to muddy the waters.

[theckhd]

Math comparing spec, rotation, and glyph choices for tanking. Halfway down the post are plots of DPS/TPS vs. some of the cookie cutter specs, calculated for a few different optimal glyph/rotation choices.

I won't repeat everything I said there, but basically 3/3 Crusade is better than 3/3 Sanctity of Battle, even with an Exorcism substitution rotation (and Crusade is considerably better for standard 969 without Exorcism).

As a rough estimate, compare 0/5x/15 (5/5 conviction) to 0/5x/18c (5/5 Conviction 3/3 crusade). The 3 points in Crusade give you 750-800 DPS (and roughly 2000 TPS), so each point should give you at least 250 DPS.

None of those ret specs took less than 5/5 Conviction, so I'm not 100% sure how a 2/5 Conviction 3/3 Crusade spec would come out, but it should be somewhere between 0/5x/15 and 0/5x/18c. If I had to guess at a number, I'd say roughly halfway between.

[masterpoobaa]

For me there is the movement speed bonus of persuit of justice... doing alot of classic Strath farming and extra speeeeeed come in very handy.
Will likely drop it later.

I also like being as useful as possible in a raid, thus my current spec has 2 pts in heart of the crusader for extra raid crits.

Assuming the tree doesnt change, my base tanking spec would be
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... rsion=9658

which leaves 9pts to throw around.
Made me wonder though... with that current tree build u need 5 or so less points to 'pimp it out' thoroughly compared to our current tree.
I reckon changes will occur later

[Petrus]

I'm leaning towards http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=sZV0tAduMuIIRGoxsbbbc now.

[NYRIN1]

I think im gona go with....

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin ... rsion=9658


seems like a safe spec, unless they change somthing down the line