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Postby Rokh » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:48 pm

Since i see alot of 3.0 threads, but no lvl80 ones i'll start it up.


http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAczGteIRGoxsox

Pending changes, this looks like the winner for me.

crit crit crit !
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Postby majiben » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:05 pm

There are tons of these threads in the Wotlk forums but the mods do want people to start uing the normal forums for this sort of thing so kudos.

This spec is pretty much cookie cutter build for wotlk. It has 8 points to spend as you please. By the way the crit talents have been shown for the most part to provide less threat than seals of the pure.
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Postby amunstorr » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:04 pm

that first one is looking good to me. Did that come from a site or just specc'ing ?
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Postby Levantine » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:43 pm

amunstorr wrote:that first one is looking good to me. Did that come from a site or just specc'ing ?


Oh dear god no.

Imp BoM is a shite filler, and Reckoning is exactly useless in Wrath.
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Postby nxua » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:57 pm

Levantine wrote: and Reckoning is exactly useless in Wrath.


How do you mean Reckoning is useless?

I compare it with critical strike (10% change to get 4x double hits:D ),even though its not always active and sometimes sucks on single mobs i asumed that this a good thread skill.
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Postby Zeels » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:53 am

I'll probably go with this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVZaxVA0uMteIRGoxR

Can't really decide between benediction and seal of the pure.

Btw anyone done some number crunching in terms of threat, Seal of the pure vs Reckoning?
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Postby knaughty » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:25 am

Levantine wrote:Oh dear god no.

Imp BoM is a shite filler, and Reckoning is exactly useless in Wrath.


To expand, slightly:

Crap spec is crap.

(1) Reckoning is useless. Go read the wrath board, I'm not reposting points that have been made dozens of times by multiple people. Either read the board or trust people ho do read the board and tell you the talent is crap. Reckoning is the worst talent in the tree. Dead last. Every other talent has a use, maybe PvP, but they do something.

(2a) Speccing for threat is wrong. You don't need extra threat. Therefore, Conviction sucks.
(2b) If you are going to spec for threat, Seals of the Pure is more threat. Therefore, Conviction sucks.

(3a) Do NOT spec partial Improved <blessing> talents. Either max them out or pick something else.
(3b) Imp might is stupid anyway for prot, you should have Kings instead.

(4) Imp. HoJ... are you PvP prot? Spec something useful for PvE. 30-sec spell interrupts is not useful. Kings or Imp Devotion.

Zeels wrote:I'll probably go with this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVZaxVA0uMteIRGoxR

Can't really decide between benediction and seal of the pure.

Btw anyone done some number crunching in terms of threat, Seal of the pure vs Reckoning?

You were doing so well until the end....

Yes, Reckoning numbers have been run, and they suck.

Anyway. Spec is pretty good. I'd move 1 pt from Seals of the Pure to Heart of the Crusader. Well... actually, I'd assume I had a ret pally in-raid and not spec it at all... but if you are going to get it, get 3/3.
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Postby knaughty » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:33 am

Majiben wrote:This spec is pretty much cookie cutter build for wotlk. It has 8 points to spend as you please. By the way the crit talents have been shown for the most part to provide less threat than seals of the pure.


I wouldn't rate "Heart of the Crusader" as "cookie cutter". It's useless if there's a ret pally in-raid.

Shield of the Templar is somewhat optional at 70 as well, given you don't have ShoR, and the -3% damage isn't in yet.

Look.. here's Lore's lvl 70 spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIRMoxo

It's right. I use the same one. I tank Sunwell with it. It works fine.

If you don't dully understand the theory-craft and research behind every talent in that link... then don't change it. Spec that way and trust that it's right. If you have to ask about Reckoning you're not qualified to come up with a different spec.

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Once the -3% on SotT goes in, your best compromise is probably:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMtjIoGoxo
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Postby majiben » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:45 am

Knaughty wrote:
Majiben wrote:This spec is pretty much cookie cutter build for wotlk. It has 8 points to spend as you please. By the way the crit talents have been shown for the most part to provide less threat than seals of the pure.


I wouldn't rate "Heart of the Crusader" as "cookie cutter". It's useless if there's a ret pally in-raid.

Shield of the Templar is somewhat optional at 70 as well, given you don't have ShoR, and the -3% damage isn't in yet.

Look.. here's Lore's lvl 70 spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIRMoxo

It's right. I use the same one. I tank Sunwell with it. It works fine.

If you don't dully understand the theory-craft and research behind every talent in that link... then don't change it. Spec that way and trust that it's right. If you have to ask about Reckoning you're not qualified to come up with a different spec.
Cookie cutter means that it is the basic spec and can be either added to or subtracted particularly with threat or ultility talents. Additonally, that spec is designed for a somewhat average player. The average player will see more 10 man action than 25 man and even more 5 man action. In 5 man and 10 man instances your chances of a ret pally go down significantly and the value of the talent goes up.

Also, You seemed to have missed that this is a thread aboutlvl 80 specs and ALL 80 specs will have SotT in them. So please attack the correct people.

EDIT:This is my spec atm
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Postby Apollya » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:40 am

I've been doing a lot of thinking on Protection specs recently with all the changes and patches. I thought since I was on the subject why not also consider how I'm going to spec for Wrath.

Current level 70 Spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIoGox


level 80 Planned Spec:

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sVZaxVAMuMteIRGoxo

or if Seals of the Pure is Changed to not be so beneficial, then Possibly:

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaeVAcuMteIRGoto

What do people think? P I have been hearing rumours about Seals of the pure so am being cautious and having a plan B, any one got anything concrete on it?
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Postby firstamendme » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:10 am

maybe im missing somethin in that spec appolyn, but why would you go 2/5 benediction and 2/3 Touched by the Light....
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Postby Snake-Aes » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:09 am

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIRGots00b

My fav spec so far. Variation: remove heart of the crusader and fill in benediction.

No idea what to do with the theoretical 11pointer yet
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Postby Apollya » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:31 am

firstamendme wrote:maybe im missing somethin in that spec appolyn, but why would you go 2/5 benediction and 2/3 Touched by the Light....


bah! You weren't missing anything it somehow got missed with me thinking it was maxed, updated.
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Postby Apollya » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:39 am

Snake-Aes wrote:http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIRGots00b

My fav spec so far. Variation: remove heart of the crusader and fill in benediction.

No idea what to do with the theoretical 11pointer yet


Ignore the 11th Point in retri. I'd take the Imp hammer of Justice to reduce its CD somewhat. When tanking at say illidari Council or reliquary of Souls a paladin is limited by the fact our interupt is on such a long cooldown. If we can reduce the CD it'll make us a more versatile tank.

My two cents anyways :)
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