Holy Shield and BoSanc miss rate

[Stroja]

I noticed a very interesting trend in WWS parses. Our last Illidan kill can be found here.

Across the two longest Illidan fights, Try 1 (freaky Draw Souls ran us into the enrage timer) and Try 4 (which was actually a kill) - I noticed the miss rates for BoSanc and Holy Shield were between 2 and 4%. JoR, Exorcism, and Fire Shield ( ) fall into the miss range that would be expected (10ish%).

I chalked it up to a luck streak and checked this parse as well to verify, all of which is in my normal gear with a tiny bit more melee and spellhit. Miss rates on Holy Shield and BoSanc for the whole night were under 2%. JoR and Exorcism were again where expected.

Between the two abilities, that's over 2000 samples. I'm tempted to think that BoSanc and Holy Shield are using melee hit instead of spell hit.

Is there something I'm missing? Is this common knowledge and I've just been asleep when it's been mentioned?

[Snake-Aes]

It's probably the baseline elemental resist(the only resist available for holy)

[moduspwnens]

This would be interesting to have explored.

[Fridmarr]

Not that spell hit is a good stat anyhow, but if it doesn't affect holy shield as many of us thought it did, it becomes really really bad.

[Lore]

It's probably the baseline elemental resist(the only resist available for holy)

Resistances don't have anything to do with raw spell miss. You only start seeing more full resists in the 200+ range IIRC. Otherwise there's a base 17% spell miss chance.

Stroja - What's your melee hit% at for those parses?

[Stroja]

It varies, depending on the fight. My typical gear has 97.49% versus bosses (precision + 3.49%).

[Jekron]

Okay, this had me curious, so I looked at some of our wws for various fights. On boss fights, the miss rate for these two spells were in the range of 2-8% with precision and no more than 50 spell hit rating while JoR was at 10% average.

More interesting to note is that the times we had a Warrior in the MT spot with BoSanc, it had the expected 14+% miss rate. That would tend to eliminate the idea that BoSanc at least has an innate lower chance to be resisted and would also tend to eliminate the idea it is based off melee hit. I can't find a boss fight with a Paladin having 10% or higher miss rate on either spell as MT.

One possible solution is that they double dip from precision and possibly both melee and spell hit. I know the Warrior I was looking at as my test subject only has 26 hit rating which would account for his high miss rate on BoSanc. Actually, the more info I look at, the more it looks like these two spells benefit from both melee and spell hit and work off of spell miss percentage.

I'll pay more attention to our wws from here on out.

Edit: Btw, hi. Long time lurker, first time poster.

[Moses]

Should be pretty easy to test, just get a rogue to duel you with a few low level daggers and keep up holy shield/BoS. Four samples, one with hit gear, one with spell hit gear, one with neither, and one with both.

A block value set with as little dodge/parry as you can would probably help to speed up the results. I'd volunteer to do it but I hardly have any melee hit items and have avoided spell hit like the plague.

[Jekron]

Problem with that idea is that dueling a rogue will have around a 4% miss chance and precision is pretty much standard in tanking specs. Because of the way the spell resist rate ramps up, it's pretty much gonna take boss mob WWS to get a reliable answer on this.

[Seloei]

As he said, the level differance for boss spell resist ramps up quite largely.

Easiest way to test is just get a group to badgerezan and try attumen with the 3 gear choices he offered. Would do the test, but dont got the time to log on. Tho you would only have to check full spell, full hit and no hit/spell gear.

[Ariashley]

As he said, the level differance for boss spell resist ramps up quite largely.

Easiest way to test is just get a group to badgerezan and try attumen with the 3 gear choices he offered. Would do the test, but dont got the time to log on. Tho you would only have to check full spell, full hit and no hit/spell gear.

Don't you really just want 1-2 healers (preferably priests / druids) who are willing to acquire a repair bill and no one else? That way, you can let him hit you for a while with spell hit gear on (until healers are nearly oom). Then leave the instance. Change gear and repeat. Issue being you have to have a paladin test with decent amounts of both spell hit gear and melee hit gear that are exclusive.

[Fridmarr]

As he said, the level differance for boss spell resist ramps up quite largely.

Easiest way to test is just get a group to badgerezan and try attumen with the 3 gear choices he offered. Would do the test, but dont got the time to log on. Tho you would only have to check full spell, full hit and no hit/spell gear.

Don't you really just want 1-2 healers (preferably priests / druids) who are willing to acquire a repair bill and no one else? That way, you can let him hit you for a while with spell hit gear on (until healers are nearly oom). Then leave the instance. Change gear and repeat. Issue being you have to have a paladin test with decent amounts of both spell hit gear and melee hit gear that are exclusive.

Well the other issue is that attumen puts a debuff on you that alters your hit rate, so you'd probably want to choose a different boss. I wonder if it'd be easier to do this with a level 70 rogue vs a level 67 prot pally. The pally would probably have to wear casting/rogue gear to get reasonable amounts of spell hit/melee hit but it could be more controlled.

[Lucit]

Hard to find conclusive evidence, but looking back through my WWS reports, it would appear that Holy Shield and BoSanc are based off melee hit.

Maybe I will ask for Reign of Misery after all...

[Seloei]

Would have to say HS seems to work off something totally random since i am nowhere near the hit cap, for either spell or melee hit. Couldn't test bosanc since i was the only pala there.

http://wowwebstats.com/smggo1jmqbb3k?s=1705-2317&ab=41 (crappy za run end)

[Fridmarr]

Would have to say HS seems to work off something totally random since i am nowhere near the hit cap, for either spell or melee hit. Couldn't test bosanc since i was the only pala there.

http://wowwebstats.com/smggo1jmqbb3k?s=1705-2317&ab=41 (crappy za run end)

Well if you look at the Full Report, there's actually a total of 5.7%, which given the gear you currently have in your armory and the fact that you have precision, that's pretty close to what your melee miss rate would be. It's a bit low for your spell miss rate, but it's not the biggest sample size.

Now that said, I was checking parse from one of our prot pallys last ZA run, he had no resists at all on bosses and only 4 out of 464 total if you include trash. He's nowhere near capped with either form of hit on bosses, and of course a lot closer on trash.