Reliquary of Souls

[Worldie]

300+ spelldamage at least. I'd recommend a spelldam trinket to pop toghether with wings and a destruction potion.

A lovely way to "pull" is avenger shield, JoCr, iwinbutton, ZERG

[Questioner]

I tried it a little different last night after reading an interesting post on EJ forums. Everything was standard except when I popped cooldowns. I waited about 15 seconds or so before going all out.

Why did I do this?

1.) With misdirect, the dps cannot catch me in the first 15 or so anyway.
2.) With the way the debuff works, you are putting out much more threat by waiting for it to build a bit.
3.) JoR was able to be used an extra time within wings duration.

This was by far our cleanest kill and my highest threat ever on this boss.

[khash]

RoS P2 without Deaden spellreflected to RoS is a wipe. No raid will be able to do enough dps without the spellreflected debuff on RoS. Maybe with lvl 80, but who cares?

was happy to prove this wrong last night when we had no warrior or druid tanks on and were forced to use 3 protadins for BT from shade through mother

one shotted RoS with me nightfalling while another prot pally tanked him in p2 then i tanked him in p3, so it can be done, just takes a lot of dps, we killed him about 10 seconds after 0 mana, we brezzed a mage half way through p2 and he came up with full mana so he still had mana to spellsteal after the 0 mana thankfully

[knaughty]

RoS is doable without spell-reflect is doable.

We killed him the week he was bugged without him casting deaden at all - this was the week 2.4.0 came out.

Notes:

(1) We had not killed Illidan at that point, so we don't significantly out-gear the encounter.

(2) We did not stack the raid, just used the same 25 we were clearing BT with.

(3) It was very, very hard. We didn't get it right first time. Took 2-3 tries, but we did it.

[nicolax]

RoS P2 without Deaden spellreflected to RoS is a wipe. No raid will be able to do enough dps without the spellreflected debuff on RoS. Maybe with lvl 80, but who cares?

was happy to prove this wrong last night when we had no warrior or druid tanks on and were forced to use 3 protadins for BT from shade through mother

one shotted RoS with me nightfalling while another prot pally tanked him in p2 then i tanked him in p3, so it can be done, just takes a lot of dps, we killed him about 10 seconds after 0 mana, we brezzed a mage half way through p2 and he came up with full mana so he still had mana to spellsteal after the 0 mana thankfully

RoS is doable without spell-reflect is doable.

We killed him the week he was bugged without him casting deaden at all - this was the week 2.4.0 came out.

Notes:

(1) We had not killed Illidan at that point, so we don't significantly out-gear the encounter.

(2) We did not stack the raid, just used the same 25 we were clearing BT with.

(3) It was very, very hard. We didn't get it right first time. Took 2-3 tries, but we did it.

hm this is big news does any of you have a wws of those kills, so i can compare your dps output with my guild dps output and see if we can achieve it as well.

[Dorvan]

I've heard reports of RoS without a Warrior in phase 2 for a while. The point has never been that it's impossible....it's just much, much harder than it needs to be, and probably not doable without being a bit overgeared. From a progression standpoint is should just never happen...by BT any guild should have capable Warrior, Druid, and Paladin tanks to use as needed.

[knaughty]

Q: If you're already tanking RoS P3, does RD trigger seethe?

Our MT emo-transferred, I've been promoted, which means I get to show the tankadin hawtness of P3.

Last few weeks seethe has been buggy to trigger?

I was hoping to trigger seethe on the pull and once it's up hit my IWIN macro (Icon, wings, destruction pot) just to see If I can do 5k TPS or something equally ridiculous.

[knaughty]

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[Worldie]

No, RD will never trigger Seethe.

You don't even need that, just "pull" with AS, judge crusader, wait for judgement to be up, pop IWIN button and ZERG

[Mortehl]

BTW - First try in P3 for me he went down . I tanked him with zero threat issues (where the warrior tank lost aggro when he tried the prior week).

[nicolax]

don't trigger seethe it's not needed. i struggle with threat sometimes (warlocks like to push really hard) although i use tanking gear tps oriented, but it's just the healers being a little slow. i am often at 10khp for a few sec with no heals incoming so i end up shouting on vent "faster heals, i'm oom -_-". survivability of the tank is a joke, we don't take much damage

we 23-manned phase 3 last week, one dps killed himself in phase 2 (omg, you see that crit with deaden up ? bam, dead, he wasn't at full health to begin with), one of my healer d/ced at the beginning of phase 3.

[Tiandelin]

You shouldn't really need seethe as a paladin. My guild killed him over the weekend, and starting off with avenger's shield and crusader, then blowing cooldowns once we hit bloodlust were enough for me to hold aggro. I think I had around 600-650 spell damage buffed, excluding the judgement. Was flasked with blinding light.

It took a couple tries for everyone to learn how phase 3 worked, then we killed him with only one death. Switching to rank 1 holy shield to help avoid the odd crushing blow due to a badly timed soul scream helped, and being in a group with a shadow priest for VT/VE seemed to make it easier too.

[Enkal]

We took a sneak peak at RoS after our first Gurtogg kill last night and I wonder how you ppl deal with the gauntlet before hand?

3 stops with last stop against the far wall at the top of ramp or just pull everything to far wall and aoe down? Are there a safe spot to stand before engageing the boss like a little bit down the ramp or something?

[Worldie]

I grab first 3 ghosts with AS + JoR, wait for Judgement cd up, move to corner, grab 3 more with JoR, exorcism and melee hit, aoe, when they are almost dead move to the edge of the platform, aoe, run down when last mobs are < 20%.

[Chiamblagh]

Hello all.

My main is a Hunter, currently at 5/5, 7/9 progression wise.

We've downed Reliquary a few times, but to my dismay, we've had our Warrior tanking P3 for every kill. Mind you, all but the latest of these kills has been very close. The previous kills essentially involved us getting lucky after wiping for 2+ hours, and downing him with 5 people up, AFTER using soul stones. The latest kill was slightly cleaner, using no soul stones and having only 10 people up at the end.

Still, the aura ticked for 3300 before we killed him, which strikes me as too high, even for our progression. I do not believe this to be an issue of DPS -- our DPS in P1 (when threat does not matter) is amazing. However, it seems a number of our casters are being limited by threat in P3. Not surprising, in my eyes, due to the Warrior tank. Indeed, the only difference between the skin of our teeth kills in the past and tonight was the addition of an additional Hunter, meaning an additional misdirect and high, essentially threatless, DPS.

In our early attempts, our Paladin tank gave a few tries, but decided that he cannot possibly maintain threat, because he has no mana. Clearly, based on this thread, this does not have to be the case, which leads me to believe that there is some fundamental difference in how you all are tanking it, and how our Paladin tried to tank it.

I have two issues here.
1) Since I am quite sure that if our Paladin tank learns how to tank this fight properly, how do I go about convincing the powers that be (and our Paladin!) to give it another try or two?
2) Assuming I succeed in that task, what exactly should I have our Paladin do to maximize the chance of success? Please, in terms that someone that has a 70 Paladin, but has never attempted to raid tank, can easily understand. (I've raid tanked as a Warrior before, but I am not intimately familiar with it from a Paladin's perspective).

I've picked up a number of tidbits from this thread, but (perhaps due to my lack of first hand experience) have trouble putting it all together to see the big picture, and determine where things went awry.

Any and all help you can provide is immensely appreciated.